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		<title>Comment on Drupal Sucks by Steve</title>
		<link>http://robozen.com/technology/drupal-sucks/comment-page-3/#comment-472</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just reminding everyone that Drupal is a terrible piece of european garbage and everyone should stay far, far away (unless you live in your moms basement and like to mess with a horribly broken CMS all day).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just reminding everyone that Drupal is a terrible piece of european garbage and everyone should stay far, far away (unless you live in your moms basement and like to mess with a horribly broken CMS all day).</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to *Actually* Revert in Subversion by Subversion on OS X</title>
		<link>http://robozen.com/technology/how-to-actually-revert-in-subversion/comment-page-1/#comment-471</link>
		<dc:creator>Subversion on OS X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] copy of the your project, or even to an earlier copy of a file in your project. Aran has a post, as does robozen telling you you to do this. It is really useful if the log files are up to date &#8211; see above. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] copy of the your project, or even to an earlier copy of a file in your project. Aran has a post, as does robozen telling you you to do this. It is really useful if the log files are up to date &#8211; see above. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Drupal Sucks by Thomas J. Webb</title>
		<link>http://robozen.com/technology/drupal-sucks/comment-page-3/#comment-470</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas J. Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 01:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have had a very negative experience with Drupal as well. I could go on an on with the details, but don&#039;t have time. I&#039;ll just leave it at that these two things stuck out like a sore thumb:

1) Drupal is not suitable if you want to create anything that hasn&#039;t been created before. In other words, it&#039;s not useful if you are creating something of value. Drupal fanboys reply to criticisms that it&#039;s too complicated by insisting that it&#039;s too powerful and flexible for the person who says so. Unfortunately, Drupal fails here even more than it fails in simplicity. The tiniest change can require tapping into core and that means having to repeat yourself when an upgrade comes.

Unless vanilla Drupal, plus CORE modules are sufficient for you, best make something from scratch. It will be easier in the long run, even if you factor in the time required to make your code secure (which isn&#039;t as hard as people insist it is). I&#039;ve had a few really good Drupal programmers concede this point to me. I&#039;ve been told it&#039;s my fault for &quot;having too many customizations.&quot; Nothing of value is going to be off the shelf and if off the shelf is sufficient for you, then something easier to use like Joomla or Wordpress or Concrete 5 would be a better choice.

2) The community. People who&#039;s livelihood rests on wielding this one hammer (Drupal) against all the screws, pieces of pressboard and antique china the internet has to offer. They insist that everything is possible in Drupal. It&#039;s their mantra, but all that really means is anything is possible in PHP (not really, but I&#039;d let that less preposterous claim slide). There&#039;s great hostility to creativity, wanting to do things in a way that is user-friendly or attractive or using non-standard ajax or javascript. I met quite a few Drupal coders I liked, don&#039;t get me wrong, but asking if anyone has had experience doing something in Drupal on the forums always resulted in &quot;why would you want to do that?&quot; Drupal makes sense only to Drupal developers and are hostile to all criticism, even if it&#039;s valid and constructive. (I&#039;ve seen quite a few non-derogatory posts get deleted that should&#039;ve have been).

Rails is better. MIT license. Or roll out your own PHP CMS using Zend. Or use Django. Or join the Concrete5 community and help them improve their damn good CMS. Or if it&#039;s simple enough, use Wordpress (fun to make plugins for). You can&#039;t make your own web apps in Drupal (I think many Drupal programmers would admit that, but countless Drupal users insist you can and will waste your money trying to make it for you and failing miserably).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have had a very negative experience with Drupal as well. I could go on an on with the details, but don&#8217;t have time. I&#8217;ll just leave it at that these two things stuck out like a sore thumb:</p>
<p>1) Drupal is not suitable if you want to create anything that hasn&#8217;t been created before. In other words, it&#8217;s not useful if you are creating something of value. Drupal fanboys reply to criticisms that it&#8217;s too complicated by insisting that it&#8217;s too powerful and flexible for the person who says so. Unfortunately, Drupal fails here even more than it fails in simplicity. The tiniest change can require tapping into core and that means having to repeat yourself when an upgrade comes.</p>
<p>Unless vanilla Drupal, plus CORE modules are sufficient for you, best make something from scratch. It will be easier in the long run, even if you factor in the time required to make your code secure (which isn&#8217;t as hard as people insist it is). I&#8217;ve had a few really good Drupal programmers concede this point to me. I&#8217;ve been told it&#8217;s my fault for &#8220;having too many customizations.&#8221; Nothing of value is going to be off the shelf and if off the shelf is sufficient for you, then something easier to use like Joomla or Wordpress or Concrete 5 would be a better choice.</p>
<p>2) The community. People who&#8217;s livelihood rests on wielding this one hammer (Drupal) against all the screws, pieces of pressboard and antique china the internet has to offer. They insist that everything is possible in Drupal. It&#8217;s their mantra, but all that really means is anything is possible in PHP (not really, but I&#8217;d let that less preposterous claim slide). There&#8217;s great hostility to creativity, wanting to do things in a way that is user-friendly or attractive or using non-standard ajax or javascript. I met quite a few Drupal coders I liked, don&#8217;t get me wrong, but asking if anyone has had experience doing something in Drupal on the forums always resulted in &#8220;why would you want to do that?&#8221; Drupal makes sense only to Drupal developers and are hostile to all criticism, even if it&#8217;s valid and constructive. (I&#8217;ve seen quite a few non-derogatory posts get deleted that should&#8217;ve have been).</p>
<p>Rails is better. MIT license. Or roll out your own PHP CMS using Zend. Or use Django. Or join the Concrete5 community and help them improve their damn good CMS. Or if it&#8217;s simple enough, use Wordpress (fun to make plugins for). You can&#8217;t make your own web apps in Drupal (I think many Drupal programmers would admit that, but countless Drupal users insist you can and will waste your money trying to make it for you and failing miserably).</p>
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		<title>Comment on OpenOffice Stealing Microsoft&#8217;s Stupid Ideas by Brendan</title>
		<link>http://robozen.com/technology/openoffice-stealing-microsofts-stupid-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-468</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thats really funny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thats really funny</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to *Actually* Revert in Subversion by Tim</title>
		<link>http://robozen.com/technology/how-to-actually-revert-in-subversion/comment-page-1/#comment-467</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, maybe its easier (although admittedly not straightforward) to just use 
svn update --revision N 
where N is the revision number you want to go back to. At least you don&#039;t have to look up the web address.
I agree, though, that revert should be able to take a revision number and then just do that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, maybe its easier (although admittedly not straightforward) to just use<br />
svn update &#8211;revision N<br />
where N is the revision number you want to go back to. At least you don&#8217;t have to look up the web address.<br />
I agree, though, that revert should be able to take a revision number and then just do that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Drupal Sucks by Quevin</title>
		<link>http://robozen.com/technology/drupal-sucks/comment-page-3/#comment-466</link>
		<dc:creator>Quevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Negative posts like this result in a slew of responses that only end up making Drupal look stellar. If you want a blog like this: Wordpress. If you want a multi-user site with unlimited growth and scalability potential: Drupal. However, as with any framework, it requires Developers who know how to use it properly. Yes, I&#039;ve seen some horrible Drupal sites and fixed some of them myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Negative posts like this result in a slew of responses that only end up making Drupal look stellar. If you want a blog like this: Wordpress. If you want a multi-user site with unlimited growth and scalability potential: Drupal. However, as with any framework, it requires Developers who know how to use it properly. Yes, I&#8217;ve seen some horrible Drupal sites and fixed some of them myself.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Skype Can&#8217;t Replace a Phone (Top 10 Skype WTF&#8217;s) by adawd</title>
		<link>http://robozen.com/entrepreneurship/why-skype-cant-replace-a-phone-top-10-skype-wtfs/comment-page-1/#comment-465</link>
		<dc:creator>adawd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Peter
Because people would prank the emergency services and not get arrested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Peter<br />
Because people would prank the emergency services and not get arrested.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Skype Can&#8217;t Replace a Phone (Top 10 Skype WTF&#8217;s) by someone</title>
		<link>http://robozen.com/entrepreneurship/why-skype-cant-replace-a-phone-top-10-skype-wtfs/comment-page-1/#comment-464</link>
		<dc:creator>someone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skype is not cheap making calls to worldwide!
calling to poor countries will cost you and arm!</description>
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calling to poor countries will cost you and arm!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Drupal Sucks by hari</title>
		<link>http://robozen.com/technology/drupal-sucks/comment-page-3/#comment-463</link>
		<dc:creator>hari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 05:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve read most of the comments here and while I tried to wrap my head around Drupal, I figured that the trouble of learning it is not worth it. Especially if you want to build a community site. A forum based system seems much easier and more standardized that users are more likely to adapt to it than a complicated CMS.

However, the biggest reason I think people get frustrated with Drupal is NOT that it&#039;s hard to learn or anything of that kind. In fact, I think it&#039;s EASY to do certain things with Drupal quickly. The hard part is building a site you want exactly the way you want and that seems to require a lot of customization within the framework. The unified administration interface of Drupal makes that a lot harder.

To me, getting a unique community website is about putting several components together and making them seem part of the whole deal: blogs, articles, reviews, news updates, forums, albums, galleries etc. Thing is most CMSes try to unify all these aspects into one solution. Most of them end up being complex and bloated and Drupal seems to be no exception to that rule. As a result, it makes it harder to build something out of a CMS that actually looks UNIQUE and DIFFERENT. Of all the time I spent tweaking around with Drupal, I never felt that I could make it fit into my needs with lesser effort. It seems I was fighting the software to make it work the way I want it. In the end, I figured that the added effort was not worth it.

As an analogy, I&#039;d say Drupal is a wild beast that requires a lot of taming and controlling before you can get it to dance to your tunes. Whether it&#039;s worth it or not depends on your own requirements and patience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read most of the comments here and while I tried to wrap my head around Drupal, I figured that the trouble of learning it is not worth it. Especially if you want to build a community site. A forum based system seems much easier and more standardized that users are more likely to adapt to it than a complicated CMS.</p>
<p>However, the biggest reason I think people get frustrated with Drupal is NOT that it&#8217;s hard to learn or anything of that kind. In fact, I think it&#8217;s EASY to do certain things with Drupal quickly. The hard part is building a site you want exactly the way you want and that seems to require a lot of customization within the framework. The unified administration interface of Drupal makes that a lot harder.</p>
<p>To me, getting a unique community website is about putting several components together and making them seem part of the whole deal: blogs, articles, reviews, news updates, forums, albums, galleries etc. Thing is most CMSes try to unify all these aspects into one solution. Most of them end up being complex and bloated and Drupal seems to be no exception to that rule. As a result, it makes it harder to build something out of a CMS that actually looks UNIQUE and DIFFERENT. Of all the time I spent tweaking around with Drupal, I never felt that I could make it fit into my needs with lesser effort. It seems I was fighting the software to make it work the way I want it. In the end, I figured that the added effort was not worth it.</p>
<p>As an analogy, I&#8217;d say Drupal is a wild beast that requires a lot of taming and controlling before you can get it to dance to your tunes. Whether it&#8217;s worth it or not depends on your own requirements and patience.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Drupal Sucks by Casey</title>
		<link>http://robozen.com/technology/drupal-sucks/comment-page-3/#comment-462</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drupal is by far the worst CMS I have ever used.  Stay far, far away from Drupal if actually want to work on your site instead of fighting with Drupal constantly.   Terrible CMS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drupal is by far the worst CMS I have ever used.  Stay far, far away from Drupal if actually want to work on your site instead of fighting with Drupal constantly.   Terrible CMS.</p>
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