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		<title>By: takien</title>
		<link>http://robozen.com/technology/drupal-sucks/comment-page-4/#comment-608</link>
		<dc:creator>takien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 05:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Drupal is totally sucks because of these problem:

1. Drupal versioning and support.
2. Plugin and themes dependency
3. Upgrade process.</description>
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<p>1. Drupal versioning and support.<br />
2. Plugin and themes dependency<br />
3. Upgrade process.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Curran</title>
		<link>http://robozen.com/technology/drupal-sucks/comment-page-4/#comment-584</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Curran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2011 00:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post I thought, up until I got to the bit about developing a site in Ruby on Baby-Training-Wheels.  Rails, I meant to type rails.

Then I rolled about laughing and stopped reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post I thought, up until I got to the bit about developing a site in Ruby on Baby-Training-Wheels.  Rails, I meant to type rails.</p>
<p>Then I rolled about laughing and stopped reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Ayesh</title>
		<link>http://robozen.com/technology/drupal-sucks/comment-page-4/#comment-582</link>
		<dc:creator>Ayesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 19:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reading the blog post and comments from top to bottom.  In the bottom, I saw &quot;Powered by WordPress. Built on the Thematic Theme Framework. &quot; and laughing out large!

Well, this guy is using Wordpress, which is used to power thousands of blogs these days. I don&#039;t blame on them. Many people have money to hire a developer to even create a &quot;widget&quot; showing past 10 comments which are posted today.
Also, you could pay someone else to manage something small.

Drupal is not a magic. It&#039;s well-thought coding.
DRUPAL ROCKS!

First,  you have to understand that if a CMS is fixing security issues, that&#039;s good. Drupal does not charge you for security updates so why don&#039;t this guy see the good side?   Okay. Wordpress is now 3.X.X.... Typically these X.X versions don&#039;t have major updates. So these X.X updates(minor updates) are just for either security fixes or bugs in core.  The, why don&#039;t you say WORDPRESS SUCKS ? Please be logical.
Also, nobody publish active security issues in latest version. If someone noticed or experienced security issues, they can securely inform to security team, there is an active, dedicated team for that.

Also, don&#039;t think that Drupal is just a tarball which has all the functions out-of-the-box. You can&#039;t build any good site without Views, CCK, Token and other few modules.  How do you say is it okay to use core but not modules? If then,  Drupal could create &quot;magic-Drupal.tar.gz&quot; package and include all 7789(to the date) modules in it, which costs 3 Gb of size, and you may need to update it daily. Funny ?
Understand the practical situation. In your own blog, don&#039;t you use Akismet or any third party module   ..... I got the word - &quot;third party!&quot;. Then, you say Drupal is &quot;First party&quot; ? 

I&#039;m not blaming anyone here, but these guys don&#039;t understand basic theory.
If you don&#039;t kn0w HTML, CMS is NOT the solution. Find a good online site building site or something like site-reptile, etc. Do not use CMS without understanding what is it.

Also, this blogger prioritize &quot;piss&quot; instead of Drupal. Also he/she don&#039;t know what is a &quot;View&quot; at least. Views should be in the database because it&#039;s coding. &quot;View&quot; just store a set of instructions to display certain things such &quot;last 10 comments today&quot;. Haven&#039;t you used phpmyadmin&#039;s views ?

&gt;&gt;WIB: Best practices dictate using a version control tool like Subversion or Git which, among other things, lets two developers “download” the same code so they can work on it simultaneously. Unfortunately for Drupal developers, database settings are not typically stored in version control. This means that two developers have no easy way of coordinating their work. Further, it means you’ll have a heck of a time replicating your settings across multiple servers if you have a high-traffic site that requires load balancing, or a staging server where you want to preview changes before they go live.
----- hahaha.... Does wordpress developers work on a code stored in a database ?
Don&#039;t make me laugh, please. Database is just for data. 

&gt;&gt;Logs record visits to your website, together with other useful details like errors. When you get lots of traffic, logs tend to get huge – we’re talking gigs. Logs are important for debugging, but, unless you’re a high-security outfit, they do not need to be permanently stored. If you back up your database regularly – and you should – you’ll be transferring all that unnecessary data every time you run a backup. Further, you might want to grant a sysadmin or programmer access to your logs to help diagnose a problem. You don’t want that person digging around in your database for this information: one bad search query and your data is gone.
----- If database logging is the problem, yoiu could set a limit or disable &quot;database logging&quot; module.(Drupal also support syslog which logs events to server itself.


You say you have to go to adminster &gt; content management &gt; content   to edit an existing blog post. Are you blind ? Can&#039;t you see &quot;edit&quot; link above the blog post ? To edit all posts, you have to go there. Do you suggest Drupal developers to put all links in one single menu level ?

Is Drupal searfch sucks ? Simply go to drupal.org and search for something. you will get neat results in few mili seconds. please don&#039;t be point-less.

Thanks a lot for pissing. Please find a good place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading the blog post and comments from top to bottom.  In the bottom, I saw &#8220;Powered by WordPress. Built on the Thematic Theme Framework. &#8221; and laughing out large!</p>
<p>Well, this guy is using Wordpress, which is used to power thousands of blogs these days. I don&#8217;t blame on them. Many people have money to hire a developer to even create a &#8220;widget&#8221; showing past 10 comments which are posted today.<br />
Also, you could pay someone else to manage something small.</p>
<p>Drupal is not a magic. It&#8217;s well-thought coding.<br />
DRUPAL ROCKS!</p>
<p>First,  you have to understand that if a CMS is fixing security issues, that&#8217;s good. Drupal does not charge you for security updates so why don&#8217;t this guy see the good side?   Okay. Wordpress is now 3.X.X&#8230;. Typically these X.X versions don&#8217;t have major updates. So these X.X updates(minor updates) are just for either security fixes or bugs in core.  The, why don&#8217;t you say WORDPRESS SUCKS ? Please be logical.<br />
Also, nobody publish active security issues in latest version. If someone noticed or experienced security issues, they can securely inform to security team, there is an active, dedicated team for that.</p>
<p>Also, don&#8217;t think that Drupal is just a tarball which has all the functions out-of-the-box. You can&#8217;t build any good site without Views, CCK, Token and other few modules.  How do you say is it okay to use core but not modules? If then,  Drupal could create &#8220;magic-Drupal.tar.gz&#8221; package and include all 7789(to the date) modules in it, which costs 3 Gb of size, and you may need to update it daily. Funny ?<br />
Understand the practical situation. In your own blog, don&#8217;t you use Akismet or any third party module   &#8230;.. I got the word &#8211; &#8220;third party!&#8221;. Then, you say Drupal is &#8220;First party&#8221; ? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not blaming anyone here, but these guys don&#8217;t understand basic theory.<br />
If you don&#8217;t kn0w HTML, CMS is NOT the solution. Find a good online site building site or something like site-reptile, etc. Do not use CMS without understanding what is it.</p>
<p>Also, this blogger prioritize &#8220;piss&#8221; instead of Drupal. Also he/she don&#8217;t know what is a &#8220;View&#8221; at least. Views should be in the database because it&#8217;s coding. &#8220;View&#8221; just store a set of instructions to display certain things such &#8220;last 10 comments today&#8221;. Haven&#8217;t you used phpmyadmin&#8217;s views ?</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;WIB: Best practices dictate using a version control tool like Subversion or Git which, among other things, lets two developers “download” the same code so they can work on it simultaneously. Unfortunately for Drupal developers, database settings are not typically stored in version control. This means that two developers have no easy way of coordinating their work. Further, it means you’ll have a heck of a time replicating your settings across multiple servers if you have a high-traffic site that requires load balancing, or a staging server where you want to preview changes before they go live.<br />
&#8212;&#8211; hahaha&#8230;. Does wordpress developers work on a code stored in a database ?<br />
Don&#8217;t make me laugh, please. Database is just for data. </p>
<p>&gt;&gt;Logs record visits to your website, together with other useful details like errors. When you get lots of traffic, logs tend to get huge – we’re talking gigs. Logs are important for debugging, but, unless you’re a high-security outfit, they do not need to be permanently stored. If you back up your database regularly – and you should – you’ll be transferring all that unnecessary data every time you run a backup. Further, you might want to grant a sysadmin or programmer access to your logs to help diagnose a problem. You don’t want that person digging around in your database for this information: one bad search query and your data is gone.<br />
&#8212;&#8211; If database logging is the problem, yoiu could set a limit or disable &#8220;database logging&#8221; module.(Drupal also support syslog which logs events to server itself.</p>
<p>You say you have to go to adminster &gt; content management &gt; content   to edit an existing blog post. Are you blind ? Can&#8217;t you see &#8220;edit&#8221; link above the blog post ? To edit all posts, you have to go there. Do you suggest Drupal developers to put all links in one single menu level ?</p>
<p>Is Drupal searfch sucks ? Simply go to drupal.org and search for something. you will get neat results in few mili seconds. please don&#8217;t be point-less.</p>
<p>Thanks a lot for pissing. Please find a good place.</p>
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		<title>By: Janus</title>
		<link>http://robozen.com/technology/drupal-sucks/comment-page-4/#comment-580</link>
		<dc:creator>Janus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 19:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, I feel sorry for all the poor souls blinded by Drupal hatred. It has saved me SO MUCH time of custom code, once you get the hang of CCK + Views. The thing is people want instant gratification, not invest a couple of days learning something new.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, I feel sorry for all the poor souls blinded by Drupal hatred. It has saved me SO MUCH time of custom code, once you get the hang of CCK + Views. The thing is people want instant gratification, not invest a couple of days learning something new.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Vacendak</title>
		<link>http://robozen.com/technology/drupal-sucks/comment-page-4/#comment-579</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Vacendak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 19:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drupal is kind of adorable. But besides the spaghetti code, the community board knowledge base is just so hostile and odd. 

The first time I Googled for an answer -- my crime had been not knowing what to make of a bizarre error that flooded my screen after I installed a module -- I found a thread on my subject. Unfortunately, the thread consisted of:

Q: &quot;Hey, guys, I got this error.&quot;
A: &quot;Everyone else could figure it out, why not you?&quot;

Also, the apologetics for not using Object-Oriented Programming are nothing short of hilarious. Every now and then someone comes by to say, &quot;hey, guys, why don&#039;t we turn our plugins into objects, like in Wordpress?&quot; and the hostile reaction is:

1. If you think we need object-oriented programming, you just don&#039;t understand the architecture of Drupal!
2. Even though it&#039;s not object-oriented, if you think about it, the way Drupal as whole works is OO
3. But that doesn&#039;t matter because OO would be bad
4. Even if it wasn&#039;t bad it was not available in PHP 4 so shut your mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drupal is kind of adorable. But besides the spaghetti code, the community board knowledge base is just so hostile and odd. </p>
<p>The first time I Googled for an answer &#8212; my crime had been not knowing what to make of a bizarre error that flooded my screen after I installed a module &#8212; I found a thread on my subject. Unfortunately, the thread consisted of:</p>
<p>Q: &#8220;Hey, guys, I got this error.&#8221;<br />
A: &#8220;Everyone else could figure it out, why not you?&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, the apologetics for not using Object-Oriented Programming are nothing short of hilarious. Every now and then someone comes by to say, &#8220;hey, guys, why don&#8217;t we turn our plugins into objects, like in Wordpress?&#8221; and the hostile reaction is:</p>
<p>1. If you think we need object-oriented programming, you just don&#8217;t understand the architecture of Drupal!<br />
2. Even though it&#8217;s not object-oriented, if you think about it, the way Drupal as whole works is OO<br />
3. But that doesn&#8217;t matter because OO would be bad<br />
4. Even if it wasn&#8217;t bad it was not available in PHP 4 so shut your mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: they call me daddy</title>
		<link>http://robozen.com/technology/drupal-sucks/comment-page-4/#comment-572</link>
		<dc:creator>they call me daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 20:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post is as amateur as the writer. Drupal development is for smart people, not for lazy &#039;developers&#039; looking for the easy way. Write your RoR CMS in two days and submit it for a code audit to see what you can do. Seriously. I&#039;ll come back day after tomorrow to see what you got...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is as amateur as the writer. Drupal development is for smart people, not for lazy &#8216;developers&#8217; looking for the easy way. Write your RoR CMS in two days and submit it for a code audit to see what you can do. Seriously. I&#8217;ll come back day after tomorrow to see what you got&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Vacendak</title>
		<link>http://robozen.com/technology/drupal-sucks/comment-page-4/#comment-571</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor Vacendak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 19:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to believe in the power of Drupal. But it&#039;s in such a state of shambles that is inexcusable for version 7 of anything. The documentation is a disaster.

As someone used to the polished surface of Wordpress -- which, even in Alpha, does not flood my screen with bizarrely unexplained permissions errors -- I find it totally insane that to make something like Views work, I first have to install &quot;Chaos Tools.&quot; It does what the name suggests--it fills my system menu with chaos.

This is inspiring me to do Django instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to believe in the power of Drupal. But it&#8217;s in such a state of shambles that is inexcusable for version 7 of anything. The documentation is a disaster.</p>
<p>As someone used to the polished surface of Wordpress &#8212; which, even in Alpha, does not flood my screen with bizarrely unexplained permissions errors &#8212; I find it totally insane that to make something like Views work, I first have to install &#8220;Chaos Tools.&#8221; It does what the name suggests&#8211;it fills my system menu with chaos.</p>
<p>This is inspiring me to do Django instead.</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
		<link>http://robozen.com/technology/drupal-sucks/comment-page-4/#comment-569</link>
		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 21:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, this post is just wrong.

Drupal isn&#039;t perfect but it has it&#039;s great uses. If you can write custom code in RoR then good for you. Many people/organizations/companies can&#039;t afford to hire someone to build, maintain and upgrade a custom site.

In contrast, anyone can learn to build a relatively complex site in Drupal without any previous programming knowledge at all. At the same time, it&#039;s suitable for very large sites (White House, London, Economist, etc.).

Or, they might use Drupal for the same reason you are using WordPress (or why anyone uses WordPress).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, this post is just wrong.</p>
<p>Drupal isn&#8217;t perfect but it has it&#8217;s great uses. If you can write custom code in RoR then good for you. Many people/organizations/companies can&#8217;t afford to hire someone to build, maintain and upgrade a custom site.</p>
<p>In contrast, anyone can learn to build a relatively complex site in Drupal without any previous programming knowledge at all. At the same time, it&#8217;s suitable for very large sites (White House, London, Economist, etc.).</p>
<p>Or, they might use Drupal for the same reason you are using WordPress (or why anyone uses WordPress).</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos García</title>
		<link>http://robozen.com/technology/drupal-sucks/comment-page-4/#comment-567</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos García</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 16:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey.. thanks for the article.

But hey.... you will never find the &#039;glorious Solution to all your needs&#039; as a developer... if in your mind is &#039;use XXX to everything&#039; your wrong. Personally i like Drupal because if offers so many things out-the-box and has so many performance tweaks (solr and varnish) integrated that makes my life easier... IN SOME PROJECTS.. other use symfony or even .net or java or ruby, perl, blablablabla

Yes Drupal has a learning curve that is a nightmare
 http://www.bedroompublishing.com/2011/01/25/open-source-cms-learning-curve/
its simple. take or leave it.

But its a worth the learn (for me). There are sites and great brands that use it. And personally, yes it takes me a couple of months to learn it, but now i can use it and customize to my needs and works very well.

Just please check http://drupal.org/node/346217.. and decide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey.. thanks for the article.</p>
<p>But hey&#8230;. you will never find the &#8216;glorious Solution to all your needs&#8217; as a developer&#8230; if in your mind is &#8216;use XXX to everything&#8217; your wrong. Personally i like Drupal because if offers so many things out-the-box and has so many performance tweaks (solr and varnish) integrated that makes my life easier&#8230; IN SOME PROJECTS.. other use symfony or even .net or java or ruby, perl, blablablabla</p>
<p>Yes Drupal has a learning curve that is a nightmare<br />
 <a href="http://www.bedroompublishing.com/2011/01/25/open-source-cms-learning-curve/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.bedroompublishing.com');" rel="nofollow">http://www.bedroompublishing.com/2011/01/25/open-source-cms-learning-curve/</a><br />
its simple. take or leave it.</p>
<p>But its a worth the learn (for me). There are sites and great brands that use it. And personally, yes it takes me a couple of months to learn it, but now i can use it and customize to my needs and works very well.</p>
<p>Just please check <a href="http://drupal.org/node/346217." onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/drupal.org');" rel="nofollow">http://drupal.org/node/346217.</a>. and decide.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://robozen.com/technology/drupal-sucks/comment-page-4/#comment-565</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 16:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gotta say, that I originally started out hard coding - having built a &#039;mini&#039; cms that would add items to a shopping cart, add users to a database etc. Then in order to make my life easier as a developer I opted for an open source CMS: Don&#039;t re-invent the wheel right?
I originally opted for Joomla! And I have to say that I have been more than happy with it: it is user friendly with strong community support - and with easy enough extensions to implement.
However, for my latest development (I am re-engineering our firm&#039;s site which was built from scratch with Fireworks and Dreamweaver, but without CMS infrastructure), I opted to try Drupal so that I could learn something new. I decided against Wordpress because it is regarded primarily as a blog tool (hence this blog has been built using Wordpress!).
I have to say, that compared to Joomla! Drupal is MUCH more difficult to get up and running. My opinion is that there is no chance that a client of mine who might not be particularly IT competent would be able to figure out the Drupal admin dashboard. It would confuse the hell out of them. It confuses the hell out of me - and I am a developer (allegedly).
I am going to stick with it until I have completed this project, but this blog has made me think again about using Drupal in future. I am glad that others find it frustrating/difficult and its not just me! I thought I was being stupid - but clearly not...
An example of how difficult it makes what should be a simple issue to resolve: I want to add a video to my Drupal site. In order to do this, I need to know the width of the content area.  Well - in Joomla! all I would have to do is login, go to the template manager, click on the template being used - and the paramters are immediately displayed.
If I was building my own site obviously I would refer to the relevent css fil - no probs.
With Drupal however, this is not an easy problem to resolve!  I can&#039;t see any reference to the site parameters: template width etc. It is such a pain! Clearly it will involve a lot of investigative work to find out this information. Something that should really take a minute or two to find out will take hours!
I think that after this project I will get back to developing my own CMS, with Joomla! as my primary alternative open source option. 
I&#039;m not sure if I would say that Drupal sucks, but it certainly isn&#039;t the easy option. As the author of this thread points out: a CMS is supposed to make the development and maintenance of websites easier - NOT more difficult. Drupal, for me, fails miserably on this basic CMS requirement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotta say, that I originally started out hard coding &#8211; having built a &#8216;mini&#8217; cms that would add items to a shopping cart, add users to a database etc. Then in order to make my life easier as a developer I opted for an open source CMS: Don&#8217;t re-invent the wheel right?<br />
I originally opted for Joomla! And I have to say that I have been more than happy with it: it is user friendly with strong community support &#8211; and with easy enough extensions to implement.<br />
However, for my latest development (I am re-engineering our firm&#8217;s site which was built from scratch with Fireworks and Dreamweaver, but without CMS infrastructure), I opted to try Drupal so that I could learn something new. I decided against Wordpress because it is regarded primarily as a blog tool (hence this blog has been built using Wordpress!).<br />
I have to say, that compared to Joomla! Drupal is MUCH more difficult to get up and running. My opinion is that there is no chance that a client of mine who might not be particularly IT competent would be able to figure out the Drupal admin dashboard. It would confuse the hell out of them. It confuses the hell out of me &#8211; and I am a developer (allegedly).<br />
I am going to stick with it until I have completed this project, but this blog has made me think again about using Drupal in future. I am glad that others find it frustrating/difficult and its not just me! I thought I was being stupid &#8211; but clearly not&#8230;<br />
An example of how difficult it makes what should be a simple issue to resolve: I want to add a video to my Drupal site. In order to do this, I need to know the width of the content area.  Well &#8211; in Joomla! all I would have to do is login, go to the template manager, click on the template being used &#8211; and the paramters are immediately displayed.<br />
If I was building my own site obviously I would refer to the relevent css fil &#8211; no probs.<br />
With Drupal however, this is not an easy problem to resolve!  I can&#8217;t see any reference to the site parameters: template width etc. It is such a pain! Clearly it will involve a lot of investigative work to find out this information. Something that should really take a minute or two to find out will take hours!<br />
I think that after this project I will get back to developing my own CMS, with Joomla! as my primary alternative open source option.<br />
I&#8217;m not sure if I would say that Drupal sucks, but it certainly isn&#8217;t the easy option. As the author of this thread points out: a CMS is supposed to make the development and maintenance of websites easier &#8211; NOT more difficult. Drupal, for me, fails miserably on this basic CMS requirement.</p>
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